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Tom Harkins's avatar

Mark, I agree with most everything you say here, except that I note my disagreement with "apophatic theology." God is not "less than" the various characteristics we ascribe to him (based on numerous scripture passages), but "more than." In other words, it is perfectly correct to understand God as being precisely "love, etc." We just can't see the full scope of that. Similarly as to his "being," although we can't fully approach or experience him, at least in this lifetime, he is "fully present" everywhere--not "ethereally" in some fashion or another.

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"When the soul is moved towards what is naturally lovely, it seems to me that this is the sort of passionate desire with which it is moved. Beginning with the loveliness it sees, it is drawn upwards to what is transcendent. The soul is forever inflaming its desire for what is hidden, by means of what it has already grasped. For this reason, the ardent lover of beauty understands what is seen as an image of what he desires, and yearns to be filled with the actual substance of the archetype.

"This is what underlies the bold and excessive desire of him who desires to see no longer 'through mirrors and reflections, but instead to enjoy beauty face to face [cf. 1 Cor 13,12]. The divine voice concedes what is demanded by actually refusing it, and in a few words displays the immeasurable depths of its ideas. On the one hand, the divine generosity grants the fulfilment of his desire; on the other hand, it promises no end to desire nor satiety of it."

Gregory of Nyssa, Life of Moses, sections 231-32

Your comments on God's elusive presence reminded me of this this quote from the Nyssan. Gregory seems to articulate the soul's ascent as a dance between apophatic and kataphatic theology, and he seems to emphasize the latter more than the former. But I find it liberating (both in my life and in my conceptions of God) that what can often feel like God's silence and hiddenness could actually be the drama of how infinite divine transcendence shares itself with puny finite humans. When he conceals himself from me, he is actually prolonging my ascent if I'm up for it. For me, my ascent is almost always quotidian, which is also why I resonated with your post. Thanks Mark!

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